Yotarob's 86 4runner build

[AlienXtx]

anywere with A/C Im starting to smell.....

 

[SamSter0077]

You can use mine for the weekend, I'm bringing it to Bryan tomorrow.

LUNCH today?

AWESOME!

oh, and I am paying attention Rob.. I was saying your creampuff was starting to sound like a F***....

 

[yotarob]

Sent my starter to a freinds grandfather for testing. He owned an alternator & starter repair shop for 50 years and recently retired so I think he is qualified, LOL. He tested it & said it was fine. I told him that the problem was intermittent and he tore it apart, came back & said there was an internal wire that was loose & could be causing the problem. Anyways, I am going to put it back in this evening & hope for the best. If it doesn't turn over then I know I need to look elsewhere for a problem.

 

[AlienXtx]

Sent my starter to a freind grandfather for testing. He owned an alternator & starter repair shop for 50 years and recently retired so I think he is qualified, LOL. He tested it & said it was fine. I tild him that the problem was intermittent and he tore it apart, came back & said there was an internal wire that was loose & could be causing the problem. Anyways, I am going to put it back in this evening & hope for the best. If it doesn't turn over then I know I need to look elsewhere for a problem.

if it dont work i will come steal your EFI and your rear axel. Then we can just use my truck this wekend....

 

[yotarob]

Interesting read. Sounds like my problem. Saving it here to read more indepth later when I have time.


Hi Roger;

I have problems with my starting system. You know the one, that famous CLICK! I have replaced the contacts and even made sure that they are level and make contact with the plunger surface. Still the problem persists.

I have performed the continuity test (with & w/o 12volts applied) on the starter relay. This test verified, according to the Toyota manual, that the relay is OK. I have over 13 volts battery voltage at the battery, relay and at the starter. Now, the interesting thing is this, my ignition key is severely worn but it only turns the ignition switch tumbler, full of contacts, right? The click I hear is at the starter relay and no sound coming from the starter solenoid when this happens. Something else is funny, at one point while investigating the ignition switch, I sprayed the contacts w/ contact cleaner and I no problem for quite sometime. Another thing is that this was happening only in the mornings after the vehicle had sat overnight. But it did not happen all the time. It was sporadic. Now the last couple of days it is more often than not. Days have been hotter. Should this matter?

This has even happened with new starter installed, so I returned the starter. I am lost, can’t think of anything else to do. Can you make any suggestions? Can the Hot-Shot starter relay kit be utilized even though I have a factory installed starter relay?

How would bypassing the original relay affect the system and would it foul up the ECU? Thank you for your time. I would appreciate your suggestions.

Yours truly, Gordon Carpenter



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Hi Gordon;

I think you will find all the answers at the bottom of my starter repair page. In short, the problem is the way Toyota wired the starter relay (in the vehicles that even had a starter relay). While there is a relay that is turned on by the ignition switch start contacts, the power that the relay sends to the starter solenoid comes through the very same ignition switch contacts. So, the relay does nothing to relieve the load on the ignition switch. For a few repair and upgrade options (one of which you referenced), see:

http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks/Starter.shtml#OtherOptions

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Roger

 

[Silverback]

Look into the Hot Shot starter mod.

 

[AlienXtx]

I guess this is something I should go ahead a do before I start having this prob.

 

[yotarob]

Almost order the kit earlier but wanted to be sure I need it first, fixing to head out & give the starter another try, want to diagnose it correctly before I go buying stuff. Worst case I will use the jumper wire trick to get it started this weekend.

 

[yotarob]

I guess this is something I should go ahead a do before I start having this prob.

Yep, pretty much. Results of my test will be posted in the AM.

 

[TKGN1]

WTF? You gonna leave us hanging? Did it work?

 

[yotarob]

Starter is back in, still just get a click when I hit the key. I made a starting "jig" and I can start the truck easily by touching some wires together. It's a little janky, but I can wheel it this weekend.

None the less, the fact that it starts easily by touching the wires together tells me that my problem is somewhere between the ignition switch & starter. I don't have a starter relay, so I must need the hot starter kit from Painless. Will be ordering it in the AM. Still have one more test to do, but it requires a second set of hands......I'll get it done tonight or tomorrow for sure.

 

[AlienXtx]

You putting in that start button?

 

[TKGN1]

Cool, at least you can get it started while wheeling. I say bypass the ignition switch and put it on a simple push button start.

 

[yotarob]

You putting in that start button?

Cool, at least you can get it started while wheeling. I say bypass the ignition switch and put it on a simple push button start.

I'm with you guys. Plan on putting the start button in, still trying to figure out exactly what the problem is first, think it is the neutral safety switch but can't prove it. In the end I want the electrical system to start the truck to be as simple as it can possibly be.

 

[drew02a]

I'm with you guys. Plan on putting the start button in, still trying to figure out exactly what the problem is first, think it is the neutral safety switch but can't prove it. In the end I want the electrical system to start the truck to be as simple as it can possibly be.

So... starting your 4runner won't require a key, eh?

 

[AlienXtx]

So... starting your 4runner won't require a key, eh?

.....I pictured Dr. Evil laughing and petting his cat, asking that question.

 

[yotarob]

Here is a link to Summit for the Hot Shot starter kit.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PRF-30202/?rtype=10

This will solve my starting problem, looks to me to be nothing more than a simple 30A relay & some wires. I am not paying $30 for that. Going to Napa to pick up a $5 relay to wire this up myself. Should be problem solved without the starter button.

 

[Silverback]

Here is a link to Summit for the Hot Shot starter kit.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PRF-30202/?rtype=10

This will solve my starting problem, looks to me to be nothing more than a simple 30A relay & some wires. I am not paying $30 for that. Going to Napa to pick up a $5 relay to wire this up myself. Should be problem solved without the starter button.

Painless has always been pretty proud of their stuff.

 

[yotarob]

Painless has always been pretty proud of their stuff.

Yeah well I just bought a 40 amp relay, some 10 gauge wire & some weather proof connectors with built in heat shrink for $12, it was pretty painless.

 

[AlienXtx]

Yeah well I just bought a 40 amp relay, some 10 gauge wire & some weather proof connectors with built in heat shrink for $12, it was pretty painless.