Tinfoil Hat Wearers Unite

[TacoXpo]

Are you trying to tell us that there is a lawyer forum out there on the webz and to find like minded folks who like driving Prius cars to bond with?

Well, I didn't say that but memories for precedents are a bitch.

 

[Silverback]

I bet you can find a forum for just about anything. Getting on a forum purely to be around people of the same mind would be boring though. That is why this one is great! We all like off-roading, which we can relate to, and then this thread accounts for the entertainment portion .

Whats this off-roading thing you are referring to? I'm here for one reason.

 

[Silverback]

 

[Taco Loco]

You know, this ignore function, or whatever we call it, is a very nice feature.

Now for a PSA for the snowflakes among us...

Funny how Trump is a bad guy now for 'trying' to do the exact same thing, libtards

 

[Taco Loco]

 

[Silverback]

 

[Silverback]

Happy Valentines Day from the Donald.. AKA.. The Prez.

 

[Oswego]

I bet you can find a forum for just about anything. Getting on a forum purely to be around people of the same mind would be boring though. That is why this one is great! We all like off-roading, which we can relate to, and then this thread accounts for the entertainment portion .

I concur. People who surround themselves with ONLY like minded people will become polarized and forget to think outside of the box. It's pretty dangerous. That's how the goat fuckers market to their bomb boys. Always try to "see" your views from a different perspective and you will be a much wiser citizen.

BTW - I'm not Jewish...but sadly the NJ part is true

 

[Taco Loco]

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Drought, what drought?

 

[Taco Loco]

I concur. People who surround themselves with ONLY like minded people will become polarized and forget to think outside of the box. It's pretty dangerous. That's how the goat fuckers market to their bomb boys. Always try to "see" your views from a different perspective and you will be a much wiser citizen.

BTW - I'm not Jewish...but sadly the NJ part is true

Your right, I probably should start a new thread;

Tinfoil Hat Wearers on the Right Unite

 

[Taco Loco]

I been thinking to start a few lists for WTSHTF wishlist like at Amazon, Midway etc..
So if something we're to happen on the west coast or east coast it would take a couple days to digest and eventually hit the center, I could have different senario type wishlist's and use next day shipping.

 

[Taco Loco]

I been thinking to start a few lists for WTSHTF wishlist like at Amazon, Midway etc..
So if something we're to happen on the west coast or east coast it would take a couple days to digest and eventually hit the center, I could have different senario type wishlist's and use next day shipping.

This would be in addition to my sling shot parts and my cubic yard of rocks for my ammo dump

 

[Oswego]

Your right, I probably should start a new thread;

Tinfoil Hat Wearers on the Right Unite

So you want to be surrounded by like minded individuals? Ive always found that to be boring. Ive always been the guy who never gets "grouped" into one click or another. I was always the guy bouncing around between them.
IMHO there is nothing like a good educated debate discussing opposing views to get your mind working and blood flowing. Kind of like chess with no board or pieces.

Ive found this strategy to be also very fruitful in my career. Being on both sides of construction I can empathize with my customers like none of my competitors can. Ive also gained immense knowledge & wisdom from being on both sides (subcontractor/manufacturer). Socially this can be tricky - last thing anyone wants around the campfire is uneducated political rants, but thats why I camp and travel with different groups of people with different perspectives.

Also probably the only reason I can remain slightly sane while being stuck in this liberal region.

 

[Taco Loco]

I been thinking to start a few lists for WTSHTF wishlist like at Amazon, Midway etc..
So if something we're to happen on the west coast or east coast it would take a couple days to digest and eventually hit the center, I could have different senario type wishlist's and use next day shipping.

This would be in addition to my sling shot parts and my cubic yard of rocks for my ammo dump

 

[Taco Loco]

So you want to be surrounded by like minded individuals?

Duh, of coarse... I'm a member of TOR not TW.

 

[Taco Loco]

Although it does seem like we have a couple anomaly members here, I would like to describe it almost like my yard, big yard but the nice part of the yard my neighbors dog shits in it and we occasionally step in it and we have to deal with the shit and smell it

 

[Oswego]

 

[Taco Loco]

Back on topic, I originally and personally thought Flynn was a bad choice and Russia seems upset now that he is out, interesting to see the outcome, McCain'd is trying to divide the leadership on the notion that Trump has a deeper relationship with USSR than it appears

 

[Oswego]

Back on topic, I originally and personally thought Flynn was a bad choice and Russia seems upset now that he is out, interesting to see the outcome, McCain'd is trying to divide the leadership on the notion that Trump has a deeper relationship with USSR than it appears

At first I thought trump was dimming down his campaign rhetoric for basic Merica. At the time I thought it was great tact for getting into office and shaking things up. Now I'm really starting to think the guys a total hack and he wasn't playing around. Ive got one of his golf courses in my town and I am well aware of what he did to some of my customer base in Atlantic City so maybe I'm not unbiased enough when I look at his actions.?. Ill give him some more time, but I am seriously starting to consider him as one of the dimmest presidents we have ever had. I hope I'm wrong. To date I haven't seen anything "conservative" he has done besides some ICE raids and border blockages (all done half assed IMO).

Concerning Russia "if" he isn't in bed with them, he had better show it with something spectacular. I have zero issues with keeping your allies and enemies close, but Russia is a wounded bear that needs to be put down IMO. Don't kiss their ass and play nice on one hand while fighting Vietnam 2.0 in Syria on the other.

 

[Mauzer]

Were they illegal? I ask cause I have not checked. I have no issue with him using executive orders at all. That is his right delegated to him. He just cannot say he can do what he want's with an executive order and the courts cannot review it.

"
the Government has taken the position that the President’s decisions about immigration policy, particularly when motivated by national security concerns, are
unreviewable
, even if those actions potentially contravene constitutional rights and protections. The Government indeed asserts that it violates separation of powers for the
The States have asserted other proprietary interests and also presented an alternative standing theory based on their ability to advancethe interests of their citizens as
parens patriae...
There is no precedent to support this claimed unreviewability, which runs contrary to the fundamental structure of our constitutional democracy"

I am not sure what you are talking about in the portion which I underlined from your text. I am not saying the way that he made the executive order was incorrect. I am saying that he cannot claim that the courts cannot review it. Further, I do not see where the courts interpretation of the law legislated any law. Did you read the opinion? Executive carries out the laws, courts interpret the laws. The whole checks and balances thing.

I may not be understanding what you are getting at. Are you suggesting that executive orders should not be subject to checks and balances?

I have reviewed the opinion but haven't sit down and actually read it because I can only stand so much BS. Anyway, if you listened to the oral arguments the administration never asserted that the EO was unreviewable it asserted that the ninth circuit lacks standing. All of that aside, the Executive branch has 100% authority over immigration as acknowledged by the Supreme Court in Arizona v. United States:

"The Government of the United States has broad, undoubted power over the subject of immigration and the status of aliens. … This authority rests, in part, on the National Government’s constitutional power to “establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” U. S. Const., Art. I, §8, cl. 4, and its inherent power as sovereign to control and conduct relations with foreign nations…."

And as I've stated before, people in other countries aren't pervue to rights under the constitution. So saying that an EO effecting people who are not citizens is unconstitutional is like saying I can't concealed carry because NJ doesn't allow it.

As for the underlined portion, POTUS read the law U.S. Code, Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter II, Part II, p1182(f) 2013 at a conference of local law enforcement officials in Washington. I apologize as this didn't exactly pertain to your argument, it was just an aside that the courts halt on the order is without merit.

And thanks for the quick review on the branches of government, it was super helpful. Here's one on Checks and Balances:

By creating three branches of government, the "checks and balances" system was written into the Constitution. This system was built so that no one branch of our government couldn't become too powerful.

Each branch is restrained by the other two in several ways. For example, the president may veto a law passed by Congress. Congress can override that veto with a vote of two-thirds of both houses. Another example is that the Supreme Court may check Congress by declaring a law unconstitutional.

If an executive order pertains to people who are not citizens, and its use is within the enumerated powers of POTUS, then no, it is not subject to checks and balances.