Was swapping around some hand guards and parts on a few ARs only to realize I do not have an AR wrench. Guess I need to add one to the list.
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I may or may not have picked one of these up. 
With tax stamp, state taxes & transfer fee, it's still ~$175-$200 cheaper than MSRP. Helluva deal for the quietest 9mm suppressor on the market. 147gr was metering at 114-118Db. That's as quiet as a .22LR suppressed!
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With tax stamp, state taxes & transfer fee, it's still ~$175-$200 cheaper than MSRP. Helluva deal for the quietest 9mm suppressor on the market. 147gr was metering at 114-118Db. That's as quiet as a .22LR suppressed!
Product Details | G Pro Corp
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Really needing a Houston range day that is full auto friendly.
My private gun club range doesn't allow it but we go at a random time without anyone there then we can go full semi-auto.
Taco Loco
Tired and Lazy, married to ‘The Laundry Fairy’
Looking for distance casting/targets at?
Fishing occurs at our family farm frequently.
CowboyTaco
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you guys and all your suppressor talk....I'm seriously considering this barrel in anticipation...even though I want one for the .300aac.
Beretta 92FS/M9 9mm Threaded Barrel | 1/2x28
I assume that once you have a trust in place, you can purchase multiple suppressors and that each one requires its own tax stamp. Probably a noob question, but is that accurate?
Beretta 92FS/M9 9mm Threaded Barrel | 1/2x28
I assume that once you have a trust in place, you can purchase multiple suppressors and that each one requires its own tax stamp. Probably a noob question, but is that accurate?
CowboyTaco
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Shoot Smart has a full auto AR that they will let you use if you purchase their ammo @ $30 per mag. Probably going to head up there sometime over the weekend.
Yes - the trust only changes ownership of the individual stamps. All ATF stamp required items still have to have their own stamps. There are a few modifications to that rule with machine guns but that is a deeper rabbit hole. We can cover that at that time.
Just a few pointers:
Form 4: Is for Suppressors.
Form 1: is for SBR's (short barreled rifles or shotgun's).
1. I'd highly recommend using SilencerShop's trust. They have an option where you can buy a single-shot trust which is good for one NFA stamp or an unlimited trust for ~$120 where you can purchase as many stamps as you want.
Step:1 Make an account on SilencerShop > buy which trust you want > download Silencer Shop's app > fill out info in the app.
Step 2: Buy a Form 4 stamp > Buy the suppressor you want > on the Silencer Shop app, locate the nearest Silencer Shop Kiosk > stop by so you can do your fingerprints and photo at the kiosk > give your FFL the info of the site you bought your suppressor on.
It's really that easy!
I highly recommend just buying from Silencer Shop from the get go as they don't charge any transfer fee's for the suppressor (it can be up to $150 per NFA item!). The only time I don't recommend buying from them is when you find a smoking deal like I did earlier. Also the transfer times will be way shorter.
For example, I purchased two suppressors basically for the price of one. But I had to wait almost two months for the online retailer to ship my suppressors to my FFL. Had they shipped them within the week I bought them, I could've had my suppressors by December, just in time for deer season. But now I'll be lucky if I get them by the end of February. Also by the time I paid my transfer fee, I wasn't saving a ton of money. Had I know all of this, I would've just bought them straight from Silencer Shop and been done with it.
Edit: Forgot to add, that by using Silencer Shops trust or individual form, they use a barcode system when filing your paperwork with the ATF that cuts down on your wait times. I've been seeing trusts approved within 6 months with the barcode system. My coworker filed his trust manually and it took almost a year to get his trust approved.
Types of forms:
Individual- You can file for a suppressor as an individual, where only YOU can use the suppressor or NFA item. The only pros to doing this would be the wait time. Individually filed stamps are processed sooner than trusts. I've seen individuals approved within four months! BUT...the approval wait time for trusts has dropped to the point that it's no longer a real advantage anymore.
Another con of an individual stamp would be this example. Let's say you bought a suppressor on an individual stamp. A year down the road, you have a family member that wants to use it without you there (you obviously trust this person), so you need a trust at this point. SO...your next step would be to pay ANOTHER $200 to re-file your suppressor or NFA item into a trust.
The last con of an individual stamp would be if you died and your wife is left with the NFA item. She will then have to surrender the NFA item to the Police or go through a bunch of paperwork to have the NFA item transferred to her.
Trust- You can have as many people you want on it. You'll only have to pay the $200 tax stamp once since you can add as many people as you want to your trust at any time after the stamp has been approved. Someone can use your NFA item without you being there (you should trust that individual with your life). If you die, the trust will automatically default to the next person in line (typically your spouse) after you file some paperwork to update the trust.
Cons of a trust- Wait time can really suck. Thankfully it's gotten a lot better.
Someone that's on your trust uses your NFA item in an illegal action.
Lastly, when you want to buy another NFA item on the trust, you have to refile/resend all the fingerprints, photo and signatures again for each item. So if you have a bunch of people on it, it can be a real PIA (this is where the Silencer Shop trust shines. They keep all of your fingerprint, personal info and pics in their system so you don't have to redo all that stuff everytime).
*Please excuse any typos. I'm writing this really quick on my work break.
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You can Form 1 a suppressor - you just have to manufacture it yourself. Both of mine are Form 1s.
CowboyTaco
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To Form 1 build your own suppressor you have to make your own SN for it to engrave and give the base info. The form requires caliber, length, and width. That is all. It is still a $200 stamp but it is a crapload cheaper than buying a suppressor. The catch-22 is that it is as nice as you can make it and according to the last ATF letter if it requires servicing or repair the suppressor must be worked on by a licensed SOT shop.
But thankfully my suppressors have never needed repair and were designed to be broken down for cleaning - not repair. The standard freeze plug suppressors are very capable when sized accordingly. The early Uzi suppressors were the same basic design.
*not knocking store bought suppressors; both have good and bad qualities.
I updated my post above with more info for you.
You are correct! But that's getting further down the NFA rabbit hole than newbie's need to go
Picked up an entry level Vortex for my Sammich Maker's AR15 in 300 BlkOut.
Oswego
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I'm liking Amazon allowing me to change my addy then send items to PA that would not be allowed to be sent to NJ by Amazon. I know I H8 Amazon, but when they have the best prices and I don't need to fill out FFL paperwork it's a win win. Totally legal as well, just skipping out on the paperwork NJ requires. I'm totally allowed to buy in PA and bring back to NJ without the paperwork - just can't buy in NJ without it.
"tactical" group or just long range nuts? It seems like the 6.x calibers are dominating the long range competitions. I was talking with a couple shooters a while back. They admitted that the 6.x calibers are great for punching holes in paper; but when it comes to putting down a threat they still prefer a 30 cal.