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Anathollo

Armorall is my choice of lube
Staff member
Lots of the under 30 crowd are having wait till after their 20s to get married, buy a house (if they do), and have kids. The jobs that you can "build a family" with are getting harder to find or the pay is less (once adjusted for inflation).
Yep, I just saw an article that said Millenials will need to save at least 40% of their paycheck if they ever want to retire.
 

Oswego

n00b
Yep, I just saw an article that said Millenials will need to save at least 40% of their paycheck if they ever want to retire.

Thats f-ing crazy. Most of them will have college debt until their 50's. Generation of morons raised by morons IMHO...

Got three 1st year apprentices we just brought on Ive been helping at night with their schooling. All will graduate with a associates in construction management w/transferable credits + a welding cert + glazing cert. They don;t get paid to go to school at night, but it's free.
 

Taco Loco

Tired and Lazy, married to ‘The Laundry Fairy’
That newly elected mayor is just as bad, he already plans to ignore federal laws. The progressive candidates plan to turn Texaa blue.

Look into the past 50 years in U.S. history and research how our society is changing, and why it is changing, and it all points to the most obvious reasons; Lack of morals, because of the increasingly secular and non-religious society is aggressivly growing within the U.S. and throughout Texas...there were 52 LGBTQ candidates who ran for office this year in Texas.

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The Millennial generation is the least likely age-group to attend church.

I have posted about this before, how and why the culture is changing.
 

Oswego

n00b
I agree to an extend. Where I kind of stray is at the religion part. I'd like to think of myself as having morals regardless of my thoughts of religion.

That said maybe all the Christian camps, Lutheran services, and years in baptist pre-school/before and after school programs instilled them into me at a young age?
 

Taco Loco

Tired and Lazy, married to ‘The Laundry Fairy’
I agree to an extend. Where I kind of stray is at the religion part. I'd like to think of myself as having morals regardless of my thoughts of religion.

That said maybe all the Christian camps, Lutheran services, and years in baptist pre-school/before and after school programs instilled them into me at a young age?

and do you think morals were created by a religion? or some Stone Age bro, that said, ‘hey don’t do that and/or treat them with respect’??
 

Oswego

n00b
and do you think morals were created by a religion? or some Stone Age bro, that said, ‘hey don’t do that and/or treat them with respect’??

I believe people had morals before any sort of organized religion like we have today was established. Were the morals based on beliefs - of course. Were they organized - sure in small tribal nomadic communities.

So, yes I think a stone aged bro thought it may be better for his tribe if certain rules and or morals were followed. Now maybe he thought a thunder storm was talking to him and that's why the made the rules? Who knows, but someone had to have beliefs in something otherwise we would of never evolved into what we are today.

Either way I'm not anti religion to the point I think they did no good for the world. I know many people that need it and rely on it to be better people and I know my opinions are not popular or facts.
 

achirdo

2WD FTW
I agree to an extend. Where I kind of stray is at the religion part. I'd like to think of myself as having morals regardless of my thoughts of religion.

That said maybe all the Christian camps, Lutheran services, and years in baptist pre-school/before and after school programs instilled them into me at a young age?
Our western values are solely based on the morals taught by Christianity. Most values taught by the value did not exist before. The western world was shaped by Christianity and is the reason for a civilized society. Believe in it or don't, but the moral lessons and values from the Bible are good, and changed this world for the better.
 

achirdo

2WD FTW
I believe people had morals before any sort of organized religion like we have today was established. Were the morals based on beliefs - of course. Were they organized - sure in small tribal nomadic communities.

So, yes I think a stone aged bro thought it may be better for his tribe if certain rules and or morals were followed. Now maybe he thought a thunder storm was talking to him and that's why the made the rules? Who knows, but someone had to have beliefs in something otherwise we would of never evolved into what we are today.

Either way I'm not anti religion to the point I think they did no good for the world. I know many people that need it and rely on it to be better people and I know my opinions are not popular or facts.
History says something different than that. Valuing human life, forgiveness, compassion, charity, etc were not common place in the world before the rise of Christianity.
 

Oswego

n00b
We aren't talking about the west. We are talking about the world and thats a good thing because this "western" country was founded on mass extermination of the natives and enslavement of another race so that's a horribly flawed comparison.

You may think Christianity is the basis of morality, but it is not IMHO. Asia had strong morals and written records of them a thousand years prior to Christ being born. Check out the Shang dynasty.

I'm going to drop from this because we simply agree to disagree and neither of us are going to sway one another on what we think are facts.
 

tx_shooter

It is not a war crime the first time.
Staff member
There is solid record that there have been many civilizations with morals before the European Christianity movement. But the basics have been there a long time. Since the Europeans have written down "most"of our historical record they have put a pretty heavy slant on it in their favor.
 

AlienXtx

Nignog
Perfect thread for religious talk lol
 

Taco Loco

Tired and Lazy, married to ‘The Laundry Fairy’
Look here, Fact: it was Jesus who turned water into wine, Fact: it was Jesus who taught the ancient Mesopotamia‘s how to make beer.

Your either on the Jesus side, or a white claw drinker.

I dug a pit today to burn the white claw non believers! Praise Jesus Coldbeer!!

Any body like to dispute this? bring yo pansy white claw ass over, only cause I don’t want to mess up my truck bed with blood and it would easier to throw your body into the flames of hell with the tractor grapple.

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FRED APPROVED.
 

AlienXtx

Nignog
:facepalm:
 

Silverback

Lima Gulf Bravo Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
No laws when drinking claws... or so the girls say.
 

achirdo

2WD FTW
We aren't talking about the west. We are talking about the world and thats a good thing because this "western" country was founded on mass extermination of the natives and enslavement of another race so that's a horribly flawed comparison.

You may think Christianity is the basis of morality, but it is not IMHO. Asia had strong morals and written records of them a thousand years prior to Christ being born. Check out the Shang dynasty.

I'm going to drop from this because we simply agree to disagree and neither of us are going to sway one another on what we think are facts.

I'll pivot then to this western world being founded on killing of natives and slavery.

This country was founded from people fleeing religious persecution and a king not for slavery and killing people.

Most of the native Americans were killed off from diseases before the 1700s anyway. Besides what good were they really doing here...they hadn't even left the stone age yet. What took their place brought wealth to the world like nothing ever seen before. Besides the entire history of the world is based on conquered people and lands, we didn't invent it. Way of the world. I'm not gonna feel bad about conquering the native Americans. Besides in the end we did give them reservations. Some one else please quote an example of a conquering amry ever before give away conquered lands to the natives that were there before.

As for the slavery part...to say country was formed on slavery is just ignorant. You are looking at a small piece of a much larger picture. 7.4% of families in 1860 owned slaves.
 

AlienXtx

Nignog
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Oswego

n00b
Look here, Fact: it was Jesus who turned water into wine, Fact: it was Jesus who taught the ancient Mesopotamia‘s how to make beer.

Your either on the Jesus side, or a white claw drinker.

I dug a pit today to burn the white claw non believers! Praise Jesus Coldbeer!!

Any body like to dispute this? bring yo pansy white claw ass over, only cause I don’t want to mess up my truck bed with blood and it would easier to throw your body into the flames of hell with the tractor grapple.

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FRED APPROVED.


So funny - I was just thinking we need a burn pit hole at our shop. We have so many crappy pine glass crates from jobs if we were in the country I'd just dig a hole like that and lite them up.
 
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